From:          James
To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject:       Re: Do Jews need to accept Jesus as Messiah ???

Eddie, 

I am having a great time reading through the book of Romans since it
deals a lot with the law and grace and Jews and Gentiles.  There are a
lot of answers in that book (as well as the rest of the Bible!).  I
agree that Jews need to accept Jesus as the Messiah.  I read chapter
11 last night about the ingrafted branches and about all Israel will
be saved.  I also read the footnotes which, like me, say that Jesus is
*the* way of salvation.

 According to the footnotes I read, there is no deviation from the
bottom line of Jesus is the only way, but there are different theories in the
footnotes as to what the rest of the chapter means -- Will there be a
world awakening where the nation of Israel is saved or is this
referring to present Jews who have accepted Jesus as Messiah?  

From Eddie:
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         There is coming a NATIONAL (corporate) day of salvation for 
the Jewish people at large and the nation of Israel.

         In Isaiah 66:7-9, it lists TWO births. The first birth is 
BEFORE birthpangs. The second birth is AFTER birthpangs. It reads:

"BEFORE she travailed, she bought forth, BEFORE her pain came, seh 
was delivered with a man child. Who has heard of such a thing? who 
has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in ONE 
DAY? or shall a NATION be BORN at ONCE? For AS SOON AS ZION 
travailed, she brought forth her children.

         It is a Jewish teaching that Messiah will come with a 
"travail" or "birthpangs" to the Jewish birthday. In Hebrew, this is 
called the "Chevlai Shel Mashiach" or the "Birthpangs of the 
Messiah".

       How/Why a birth BEFORE travail and a birth AFTER travail? 
Because there are TWO comings of the Messiah. In the first coming, the 
travail happened AFTER Messiah came (the Temple was destroyed in 70 
C.E. (Common Era) or A.D.  During the second coming, you will have 
travail FIRST (the tribulation period) and then Messiah will return 
(for AS SOON AS Zion) travailed she gave birth. 

        It seems that this nation day of salvation happens during the 
much prophecied Gog and Magog invasion of Israel in 
Ezekiel 38-39. 

         Ezekiel 36-37 describes the Jewish people returning back to the 
land of Israel after being scattered among the nations. They arose 
and formed an army of people but had no "breathe" in them.  These 
"bones" came to life physically but not spiritually (had no breathe 
in them).  The modern day state of Israel was formed by SECULAR 
Zionists.  They arose physically but not spiritually. Later, God 
tells Ezekiel to prophecy to the wind (Holy Spirit) and put "breathe" 
into them. This is a SPIRITUAL revival. 

          In Ezekiel 37:15-28, you have the regathing of TWO STICKS 
(the house of Israel (a type of Christianity) and the house of Judah 
(Judaism) returning back from the nations to the land of Israel. Then 
in Ezekiel 38-39, you have the battle of Gog and Magog. In Ezekiel 
40-48 is the Temple of the Messianic Age. 

          It is AFTER the battle of Gog and Magog that the nation of 
Israel are SANCTIFIED and enter into an eternal covenant with God.

          So, there is a coming CORPORATE national day of salvation 
for the Jewish people and for the Jewish people who live in the land 
of Israel. That DOES NOT mean that 100% of the Jews will accept 
Yeshua/Jesus as Messiah but as a corporate nation, they will.

>
>Thatchapter has a lot in it.   If you could oblige me, I would be
>interested in getting your insight to Romans 11.  Thanks.
>
>
>In Christ, 
>Jamie
>

             Romans 11 talks about the FULL RESTORATION of "Israel" 
and the mystery of the Gentile being "grafted" into the root.

             We worship the GOD OF ISRAEL. ISRAEL is the name that 
God gave to JACOB after He wrestled with God. Israel is a term for
ALL 12 TRIBES NOT just the Jewish people. 

             In Luke 1:33, it tells us that Yeshua/Jesus will rule 
over the "house of Jacob" (ALL 12 TRIBES) forever. In order for this 
to be so, ALL 12 TRIBES need to be regathered and seen as the nation 
of Israel. ISRAEL (ALL 12 TRIBES) would be a term to describe those 
who are "natural branches" (the Jewish people) and those "grafted in" 
or the non-Jewish believer. 

              The regathering of God's people into one people is 
BEGINNING to happen. In the most recent years, MANY Jews are 
receiving Yeshua/Jesus as Messiah and MANY non-Jews are discovering 
the role of the Torah and the Hebraic/Jewish roots of their faith. In 
the fullness of time, this will result in the fulfillment of (Ezekiel 
37:15-28) and Romans 11.

                Then, "all Israel" will be saved (Romans 11:25-26)


                                                        Eddie Chumney